Saturday, May 20, 2006

9/11: Judicial Watch Gets Pentagon Videos

Judicial Watch, a non partisan government transperency group in the United States has obtained footage of the pentagon on September 11th, 2001. The two videos are below. First watch them yourself then read my commentary. The object is in view at 1:26 in the first, 0:24 in the second.

In my opinion the look of that is by no way a 747 jet. Whatever is flying there is small and white as anyone can see. The people who run Judicial Watch say that now conspiracy theories about 9/11 surrounding the pentagon can be put away. The only conspiracy theory I see that can be put away is that an inept Arab man hijacked a 747 and flew it into the pentagon. These videos are fairly short and basically only show the five frames that were released a few years ago, but much clearer. There is also still no answer to why all videotapes from other cameras, which would have viewed the alleged plane, are still classified. Remember the plane they cite was blue, large, and bounced off the lawn. What I see is small, white, extremely fast, doesn't hit the lawn, and doesn't leave any traces from a 747.

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Anonymous Woman at Mile 0 said...

What can I say..I am still in a state of shock from what I have just seen in these videos. Thanks for sharing!!

4:18 a.m.  
Blogger bigcitylib said...

I'm not sure I see anything on this tape. Where is the plane supposed to be, in relation to the arrow at the center of the frame?

7:03 a.m.  
Blogger Jade said...

The arrow? Thats a play button, but its in the center left of both at 1:26 in the first, 0:24 in the second. Its only on screen for that specific second, the next second is the explosion.

11:33 a.m.  
Anonymous Woman At Mile 0 said...

The arrow means the video is not moving. When you hit play, the arrow disappears. The missile comes in and hits the pentagon from the left side during the video. I believe it is most definitely not a plane hitting the pentagon

12:30 p.m.  
Anonymous Woman at Mile 0 said...

Sorry about comes in from the right side not the

12:35 p.m.  
Blogger Saskboy said...

Yeesh, how could a reasonable person explain the disappearance of the people who were on the plane?

Granted if there is security video footage of the plane it should be released to quell nonsense theories, but those cameras aren't designed to capture frames fast enough to make out details on a shiny metal plane! Have you ever seen a plane zooming in, level with your eye? You'd notice you can't see the wings, and as far as not seeing the tail, it's a technical reason of the plane moving too fast and it blurring into not being visible.

12:52 p.m.  
Blogger Jade said...

sorry I meant center right. I wouldn't necessarily say its not a plane. I'm saying it wasn't a AA 747. There were many other cameras that would have captured it including the highway traffic cameras, the Hilton roof camera and a few others. I'm not giving an explanation of what actually happend all, I'm doing showing the evidence.

And your thing about the wings doesn't add up as there was no impact of the wings on the Pentagon.

2:05 p.m.  
Anonymous Woman at Mile 0 said...

Exactly Jade. It was deinitely not a AA 747. It could be a very small plane though. I have been surfing you tube and they have quite a bit of video from video witnesses of all the 9/11 attack. As to what happened to the plane who knows...perhaps it was shot down as an accident and it was covered up. Lord know people would have had itchy trigger fingers by that point. I am merely guessing wildly at a possibility. I perfer thinking that way to thinking it was all covert conspiracy. Perhaps I am just hopelessly naive

2:18 p.m.  
Blogger bigcitylib said...

Okay, I thought you just had some stills.

It doesn't look like a plane, but then its on screen more maybe two frames, so who knows.

But presumably the found the bodies of the people on the plane in the ruins, didn't they?

3:00 p.m.  
Blogger Jade said...

I haven't seen evidence of 757 (not 747 sorry) plane debris and, they haven't found bodies of the people, they explain it by it was all incinerated by the fuel. I don't buy that personally.

Also the supposed hijacker Hani Hanjour, was a flying flunkee, he couldn't even fly small planes correctly and had never flown a jet.

By the way, anything I say don't just believe or disbelieve me go check it out yourself.

3:12 p.m.  
Anonymous mellian said...

I had my doubts about Pentagon as well, but from all the pictures and vids I found, most from conspiracies sites ironically enough, plenty enough to show that it was 747 or atleast a plane of that size crashed into the Pentagon. Keep in mind, which didn't realized when I had my doubts, the plane struck the Pentagon at an angle, so size of the object we see in that security 1fps vids may seem smaller because of it. Also keep in mind that the plane came in pretty fast against a solid concrete structure built and design to withstand bomb attacks back in the physics wise, no shit there is not much left of the plane, also considering the explosive jet fuel! If the WTC towers, or at least one of them, still managed to stay up, won't find much left of those planes either.

As for the confiscated videos that could definatly prove what plane it was, keep in mind US Military is very paranoid and secretive, hence rather deal with conspiracy theorists than people seeing videos catching the military with their pants down with their security breached. Heck, probably do the same with the attacks on WTC if they could.


5:47 p.m.  
Anonymous mellian said...

Why there are not marks from the wings? Alot of the jet fuel is in the wings and the plane crashing into a very thick solid concrete wall, so from the speed alone, wings would evaporate on impact, especially with the jet fuel exploding. Considering the angle of the plane hit the Pentagon, engines went through the same holes the hull went through and being the most solid chunk of metal of the plane, continues on through penetrating more sections while rest of the plane already was completed destroyed by that point.

As for the wing marks on WTC before some brings them up...they are of windows and easilly penetrable materials. Pentagon is a military building almost completly built of concrete with thick concrete walls. Thought mention that because I remember a stupid consperacy vid comparing the Pentagon to a civilian highrise apartment building that also got struck by a plane.

5:55 p.m.  
Anonymous mellian said...

Here links on the Pentagon and physics.


5:56 p.m.  
Blogger Jade said...

Umm look at the pictures of the unbroken windows. Windows are easily breakable material. Also the engines are made of a really strong metal that cannot just "dissapear". Also there is nothing to say that the engines and wings would have gone through the tiny whole. Mel no offence, but where your saying really isn't true. Regardless there wasn't evidence on the lawn of the plane. It was beautiful green grass with no pieces that couldn't be picked up by hand.

6:21 p.m.  
Anonymous Woman at Mile 0 said...

I am wondering if there are any cell phone calls from the passengers of this jet? I have not heard of any or found any.

7:19 p.m.  
Blogger Jade said...

The 9/11 Commission report said there were by Rennee May to her mother at 9:12 and by Barbara Olson to her husband between 9:16 and 9:26. Both were stated accounts by the family members.

Though, there is also evidence that it is unlikely for cell phones to work at high altitude. I'm not saying its impossible however.

7:48 p.m.  
Anonymous mellian said...

Jade, Pentagon is a MILITARY structure made of CONCRETE, meaning the place is built to withstand all sorts of attacks and protect the people inside like bullet resistance glass, thick ones too, so not surprising that they didn't shatter. Also, the suppose windows in question are around the blast area and being pretty thick concrete wall, vibrations wouldn't be strong enough to shatter them.

This is the most common mistakes of so called evidence from conspiracy theorists, they do not factor in that it is a military contruct, one built in during WW2 and renovated/upgraded since. Other is they base their evidence on visual only, not on actual physics what so ever. Their stupidity even more obvious regards to what they think happened to WTC.

Whatever the case, noway in hell can the US government fake the lives and deaths of the hundreds of people in those planes.

8:05 p.m.  
Anonymous mellian said...

Well, here is the evidence as well as source to information to help explain it in regards to what happened to the 757 versus the Pentagon. Will do so by countering point per point in that conspiracy theorist video:

Now look at this picture:

Where did you think those blackened areas at the sides of the main impact come from? Evidence right there about what happened to the wing impact, wings of metal that would complete shatter against a 24 feet thick wall of concrete, bricks and limestone at 250 mph. So being way stronger and toughers than the wings and considering that for every action there is equal reaction, the wings totally shattered. For the rest of it, vapourized by fuel inside the wings exploding and further spreading the black damage around the impacts.

As for the engines, being closer to the hull and being way heavier and solid, went right through the outer walls to the interior walls with the hull and then penetrating even further considering how heavy and compact they are, hence the suppose "missile" holes.

Now look this picture showing approximate angle of the strike and size compared to the Pentagon. The section of the wall of main impact is big enough for the hull and engines to go through. Left engines one caused the punchout hole and the right obviously didn't get that far by be deflected to another angle at some point, but it did take a generator from outside the building with it.

Also check:

Engines themselves may 12tons and have titanium, but it not COMPLETLY made out of it and also had some fuel being injected into them to explode, so most of the engine would be destroyed, leaving chunks of titanium. Yes, the explosion wasn't hot enough to vapourize the titanium portion, but was indeed hot enough to warp it.

As for the picture of the landing gear. They are the exact same that belong to a 757.

And this picture proves it belongs to the American Airliner, along that there IS some debris from the plane on the lawn.

Now considering what the 757 and pentagon are made of, the fuel the 757 carried, and how fast the 757 flew into the pentagon, really not surprising that not much of plane survived and that there no huge chunks of it outside on the lawn, most of anything left went through the outer wall and inside the pentagon where regular civilians with cameras are not allowed to be.

Ah yes, about the windows. Check this site which says "...a recently completed $258 million renovation to the west wing included Kevlar-reinforced windows." Site has plenty other info of damage after the attack, written and created by a firefighter that was actually there to see the result.

Pentagon was in process of renovation for almost a decade by that point. The wedge section that the 757 impacted have completed renovations, make it harder to destroy/bombed.

So yes, as I fulfilled your request for evidence, please provide your own if your going to refute what I said and shown here.


9:22 p.m.  
Blogger Saskboy said...

"And your thing about the wings doesn't add up as there was no impact of the wings on the Pentagon."

The simplest explanation, since a plane has never hit the Pentagon before, is that this is just what it looks like when a jet liner at high speed hits the Pentagon. The stupidest explanation is that the theories pertaining to a plane hitting the building are right, and what it actually looked like was wrong.

Given all of the other happenings of the day it doesn't make sense to believe that the government or some group controlling the government would blow up the WTC, Pentagon, and 4 planes. Because if you subscribe to the idea that the Pentagon attack was staged, then you have to accept that the rest was done on purpose by people in control of various government holdings. You just couldn't make a plane full of people disapear, and launch a missle at the Pentagon without people not in the "group" finding out.

10:03 p.m.  
Blogger Jade said...

I don't think the pentagon was staged per say. What I think is there are inconsistencies in the official story. Like as I pointed out in another entry it seems unlikely that someone who was a flying flunkee who had never flown a jet liner before was able to pull off ridiculous manouvers.

Also thank you Mel about the pentagon information, some of which I haven't seen before.

And I do believe that 9-11 was a self inflicted wound, but really I don't have time for that at the moment, it is best people research and decide on their own.

2:18 p.m.  
Blogger William said...

You're right the video does not show a 747 strike the Pentagon. However, that's because it was an American Airlines Boeing 757-223 that struck the Pentagon. If you're going to yell conspiracy, then at least get the basic facts correct before you try to disprove them.

4:07 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the jews thought they being given a new life in germany before goin into the gas chambers . people in russia thought they where working themselves to death for cooperative society under stalin and you americans think your government wouldnt think twice about killing a few thousand people for a lot of money and a chance to control a large proportion of the world . think hard my ignorant friends . this is your government . remind you of anything already mentioned ! only thing is that we cant do anything about it and we are screwed !!

6:19 p.m.  

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